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bug
Veteran Member
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 Posted - 07/20/2004 : 13:44:06
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| Do people really share answers.It seems like when I play the real good players really only share to a degree.They will say I have no idea and then have a 1000 points on the quetion.Or they will get so far ahead then they have no qualm about sharing.I was impressed when I went to Winnipeg.Boss Q's did a nice job of sharing on the showdown game.But what I find even when playing as a group a persons ego gets in the way of sharing.Especially if you have less than 5 playing in a group it may be better not to share.At least you know where everyone stands and there is no second guessing as to if that person or persons are sharing.Anybody have any thoughts on this |
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Cutter
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Posted - 07/20/2004 : 19:25:51
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Originally posted by bug
Do people really share answers.It seems like when I play the real good players really only share to a degree.They will say I have no idea and then have a 1000 points on the quetion.Or they will get so far ahead then they have no qualm about sharing.I was impressed when I went to Winnipeg.Boss Q's did a nice job of sharing on the showdown game.But what I find even when playing as a group a persons ego gets in the way of sharing.Especially if you have less than 5 playing in a group it may be better not to share.At least you know where everyone stands and there is no second guessing as to if that person or persons are sharing.Anybody have any thoughts on this
We call the people that you described "sandbaggers" meaning that they're knowingly withholding answers. As you said, it is an ego problem -- although problem may not be the right word depending on which side of the issue you're on ;-)
In my experience, it is a problem that never goes away completely but it can be reduced to a manageable level by playing together often and ensuring that everyone is working for the same goal: a good ranking in North America. It must be stressed and understood by all that the good ranking is only going to happen if everyone pulls together and works toward that goal. And, don't forget to play a minimum of five boxes (six in Showdown) even if you don't have five people playing.
No matter what, there will always be someone who just doesn't accept the team thing -- they'd rather be a big fish in a small pond (do well on their own location boards but not get a good location ranking). You're probably better off letting that person play on their own; a good group of you working together should be able to beat that person's score. If you don't beat his score, at least his score will be included in your location average and you'll get a better ranking than you would have had without his score.
Take care, Don
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BADBOB
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Posted - 07/21/2004 : 05:40:30
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Then you have those folks who don't know the answers 50% of the time, and depend on the others for a good score, yet will sandbag the one or two obscure answers the rest don't know and take #1. For those folks, when I see it happening, I say I'm going to play the next game cut throat.
It amazing how they end up behind by 3 - 4K, and in the next game, they start freely answering up immediately ... to get back on the good side of the other players.
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SCAR
Veteran Member
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Posted - 07/21/2004 : 09:29:38
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I just always share period. While I respect the fact that someone can have a different opinion, I just ignore the people who don't share. 80-90% of the regulars I run across at my various haunts share routinely, everybody knows who doesn't.
Just act is if they don't exist, and keep playing your way, and have fun.
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Cutter
Veteran Member
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Posted - 07/21/2004 : 21:09:25
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I'm an equal opportunity sharer -- I share my wrong answers just as convincingly as my right answers 
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ntncrash
Newbie
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Posted - 07/22/2004 : 23:07:55
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It's always been my practice to share answers. For most games, the main goal has always been a ranking bar score. I find that the majority of the people who do not share are newbies who are unsure of their answers and feel bad if someone takes their answer and it is incorrect. After a few games of playing with the group, they see that they know just as little as the rest of us :) and any help is good. If a "regular" is in the habit of not sharing then they usually end up sitting by themselves after awhile and don't get the benefit of the group.
Crash - TGI Fridays Irving, TX or Bennigans Bedford, TX |
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HlLTER
Active Member
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Posted - 07/23/2004 : 14:25:20
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| I play with an older couple and we always share answers on the big games and most other games. We play at the non-smoking section in a bw3. The regulars at the bar almost never share answers. We usually beat them because of it too. To each his own I guess. I think it is more fun to share most of the time, but not every game. |
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BADBOB
Prolific Member
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Posted - 07/23/2004 : 17:05:54
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Don't get me wrong, we like to share as well. It's when someone starts sandbagging on half hour games, that I say enough is enough (to myself) and say that I'm going to be playing cut throat. I'm all for doing a bar score, but it's with 100% participation from everyone, not when someone yells out the correct answer with 500 points to go, and they make 1000 points.
When I tell those folks they are sandbagging, they say it was only a guess. The thing is that most of mention immediately what we are guessing right from the start, not with 500 points left.
Bob
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Bigsky
Veteran Member
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Posted - 07/26/2004 : 11:10:26
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Where we play there is rarely more than seven or eight boxes in use at any one time. My wife and I usually play with another couple, each of us playing separate boxes. As newcomers to NTN, we started out as every man/woman for him/herself. Now we have developed a friendly rivalry with the other regular NTN players, and normally share answers among ourselves, but not with our competition (nor they with us). If we're the only ones playing though, it's still dog eat dog!
The few times I've been by myself playing, I seem to get higher scores than when I'm playing with a group and sharing answers, or even playing with a group and not sharing answers. Anybody else ever notice this?
Gary Baker
Roadside Bar & Grill
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BADBOB
Prolific Member
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Posted - 07/26/2004 : 11:52:25
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Originally posted by Bigsky
The few times I've been by myself playing, I seem to get higher scores than when I'm playing with a group and sharing answers, or even playing with a group and not sharing answers. Anybody else ever notice this?
Gary Baker
Absolutely. We comment on that all the time, that we get better scores when playing alone. There may be a reason for that. With playing with others, one might hesitate a bit on the unknown questions to see anyone else knows and calls it out to get the first answer right.
When playing alone, they know that they have to answer immediately and then change if they have the wrong number.
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Peri
Junior Member
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Posted - 07/26/2004 : 13:43:41
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I really wish the players at my haunts would share---
seems to me most of the team players wind up
sitting at the bar playing and my husband and I
sit at a table so we can eat as well as drink sometimes.
We do pretty well as a team, too--although I do
feel awful about being wrong and giving him the wrong
answer. (Especially, when he picks the right one to begin with
and I made him change his mind --- ouch!)
But if one of the bar players wanted to team up--we'd be very happy to. Our Buffalo Wild Wings has been national a few times--even had the #1 player too all in the same game--that was really neat and
made that particular game fun.
And I'm afraid I'm guilty of saying I don't know when I'm very unsure of my answer---you know, if I give the answer to someone, I'd like to give them the *right* one. I'd like them to get 1000 points too. Showdown is so hard that you almost have to share--the nationals kill you if you don't. But so far none of the places I've been are into it so much that they made a point of sharing --hubbie and I've tried.
Then there are those bozos who love to win and I love to beat---I don't share with them because of their attitudes. I've been playing for quite a while and have run into a few. Of course, if they were nice people to begin with and polite when you went over to talk to them -- it would help a little.
Peri
1/2 of the FM 1960 couple known as "The Couple" (other is hubbie Dragon)
"What?? You played NTN
without *me*?" (Peri to Dragon)
#3 on points board---
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BADBOB
Prolific Member
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Posted - 07/26/2004 : 18:24:12
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Peri, if folks are sharing and aren't sure of their answer, they say they are trying 3 or whatever number they like. That way, if they don't like your answer, they can take another ...
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bug
Veteran Member
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Posted - 07/26/2004 : 19:58:36
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| thank-you for your input.Many of you have expressed what I have been feeling.Two really stand out.The one that said they take all the answers but when an obscure one comes up that they know they get it but do not share.Therefore they win the game.The other one about shouting the answer after 500 points has elapsed when they got a thousand.Any other ideas please present. |
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mbgregor
Newbie
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Posted - 07/27/2004 : 06:57:12
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In my experience the reason most people don't share isn't because they don't know the answer, but because they're afraid of giving out wrong answers.
If you're not sure, qualify it with "I think it's 3", or "I'm going 2". And if you are sure, say so! The other players will get to know pretty quickly who knows what subject areas.
One of the players on our team (BOZAK/KEENU) shouts out an answer for almost every question, which is fortunate since he's right about 95% of the time. Of course there have been times when he's steered the entire team wrong on a Pyramid question (as we all have), but it happens. And when it does, nobody is harder on him than he is.
Gregor
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Peri
Junior Member
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Posted - 07/27/2004 : 11:58:57
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Originally posted by BADBOB
Peri, if folks are sharing and aren't sure of their answer, they say they are trying 3 or whatever number they like. That way, if they don't like your answer, they can take another ...
Bob
You're right --- and I do ---
I've given this question some thought overnight--and talked to the
better half of my team about it. It's kind of
like "grouping" in Everquest (if any of you guys are EQers, you
know what I'm talking about right there) ---
You're more successful with more numbers, but sometimes it takes
awhile to get people to play in groups or on a team because they don't know each other. Helps if you introduce yourself as a real person and not just a name on the board. That's where being polite helps (sincerity helps too) My husband has been asked to team up on
occasions that I wasn't there because of working---he should have taken the offer and didn't --- I would have encouraged it -- but that's life sometimes. If it happens when I'm there next time, we'll
definitly join up. I have my areas I'm pretty good at; I'm just reluctant to yell out the answers and bug people; and then be totally embarassed by being wrong; so it does help if the team knows I'm sincere about trying to give them the right answers --that takes
trusting the person and that takes some time.
Peri
1/2 of the FM 1960 couple known as "The Couple" (other is hubbie Dragon)
"What?? You played NTN
without *me*?" (Peri to Dragon)
#3 on points board---
Tomball Parkway Bennigan's (on board as Beyes) |
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BADBOB
Prolific Member
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Posted - 07/27/2004 : 12:21:02
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Peri - Those folks can still trust you, if you are saying "Guessing # or Trying #. What we do is when we are absolutely sure on an answer is to "Bank It". If the answer is wrong, the banker needs to buy those a drink who went with the bank.
For those folks who are 90% sure, they say they are "Buying Bonds", which means they are confident of the answer, but that they aren't banking it either ...
You are right though, once one gets to know the other player's strengths ... and weaknesses for that matter, it makes everyone more confident it getting answers from the others.
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